Responds to Dr. McClelland

This is response upon the inquiries letter from Edwin McClelland, M.D through Waleed. He uses the Livingston-Wheeler protocol, which had originally been developed by dr. Virginia Livingston-Wheeler. Dr. McClelland worked for a short while at the Livingston- Wheeler clinic before it shut down and believed so strongly in this therapy that he opened his own clinic in San Diego later in 2004 and has continued to treat a number of cancer patients from the original LFMC ( Livingston Foundation Medical Centre) clinic. Dr. McClelland claims he has good success with this protocol with prostate cancer (he has a large number of patients who travel all the way from Turkey), early breast cancer and melanoma.


Dear Waleed:

Having looked over the website material that you have given me, I would like to say that I am intrigued by the cancer treatment being practiced in Malang. However, I should caution you in advance that I have grave doubts about the prospect of endorsing two things that I see in the protocol. I want to cover these concerns with you before I secure the airline tickets. (See below.)

In the first place, I do agree with the concern about heavy metals in cancer, and I do suspect that metals have a truly causal role of some sort in many if not most cancers. However, I think the heavy metals are likely to be co-factorial in cancer etiology rather than singularly causal. There are too many issues of microbial causality for us to ignore. I don’t see how our visit to Malang could ever change my mind about the overall problem of stealth pathogens in the etiology of cancer or in the treatment thereof.

(Does the University of Malang have a separate microbiology department? I assume so. I think I could enhance their studies in the case of cancer pathology. Perhaps we could even demonstrate a connection between metals and stealth pathogens.)

In the next place, I do not currently see how I could endorse the putatively therapeutic benefits of cigarette smoke. Perhaps the smoke is beneficial; I say that as an open-minded man. But I am also a tough scientist. I require pretty riveting evidence—which amounts to a kind of cynicism on my part, of course.

(My main interest in the Malanga treatment is actually one of electromagnetic field theory. I would like to talk to your physics colleague at some length about the rationale for the copper plate therapy.)

Please think about these issues and get back to me if you have any special concerns pursuant to my concerns.

Edwin McClelland, M.D.


Dear Dr. Waleed,

Thank you very much for introducing our techniques to Dr. McClelland. We are group of people with difference academic backgrounds. I am a cellular and molecular biology, Dr. Gretha is chemical physicist, Dr. Djoko is physicist majoring in material science, Dr. Yudhi is physicist majoring on smoke characterization, Dr. Bagyo is Cardiac surgery, Dr. Sri Kumala is a food scientist (Biochemist, microbiologist). We are also supported with some other young academicians with PhD degree, mainly majoring in Molecular Biology.

We have Microbiological laboratory but did not focused on pathogenic problems. We have also molecular biological laboratories equipped with representative analytical apparatus such as Real Time PCR, ESR, Confocal laser for FRET analysis, ELISA, Western Blot, In situ Hybridization, Ultracentrifuge, Nano-spectrophotrometer, Animal Cell Culture as well as micromanipulator for cell surgery, etc.

As you mention that Dr. McClelland is a cancer therapist having clinics, would you please let him know that we are also eager to have cooperation with him to establish a similar clinics in Indonesia. He may observe the possibilities and observe our capacity to produce antibody for therapy when he visited us.

Herewith below is our response to his quarries:

In principal we are trying to understand the living system using the modern physic theory. We do understand that many people are in doubts curiosity since the logical manner for the discussion is at the subatomic level. In fact, we are really inspired by the Dr. Fritjof Capra’s thought presented at First Biennial International Seminar on the Philosophical of Complexity Theory in Havana (January 2002). The full paper of his thought is written in a book entitled “Reframing complexity, Perspective from the North to South”. We can also find further inquiries of the ideas in his other book entitled “The Tao of Physics”. We are interested in a complexity science approach which may help our understanding of the unity of dynamics of non-living and living phenomena. A complexity theory together with relativity theory and quantum mechanics, phenomenology and cognitivism has led further to recognize the inseparability of subject and object of cognition.

We consider this complexity concepts cover self-organization and edge-of-chaos phenomena in the living systems. As may we know that in the basic process of life (called metabolism), there is ceaseless flow of energy and matter through a network of chemical reactions, which enables a living organism to continually generate, repair and perpetuate itself. Thermodynamically, the ordered structure of the living system is maintained by continually exert entropy to the outside of the system. The characteristic of living system is that they are self-generating. My experience in introducing tubulin proteins isolated from bovine brain, which can be polymerized into microtubule of both in vitro as well as in sea urchin cells, then also autonomously disassembled at the end of the biological events (namely anaphase stage of the mitosis), indicated that the tubulin has the idea of where, when and to whom it may contact with to proceed role in a living system.

In case of Balur treatment, our technique aimed to leach free radicals overwhelmingly produced in unhealthy body, we realized a Mandelbrot set of crystals of Balur liquid after rubbed over the human body. The Balur waste proceeds self-producing structures when it is either freeze or dried. Since the chemicals used in Balur can only proceeds self-producing structures after it was rubbed over the human skin, we consider that they may interact with components coming out from the human bodies. The chemical analytic procedures done indicate some heavy metals such as Mercury enabled to be pulled out from the body and persist in the waste. We also realized that the electrical current from the copper plate move into the ground shows more and more patterned order as much as the repeating number of balur treatments. The electrical current pattern indicates the improving metabolic order of the patients. We also observe and analyze the existing metal radicals as well as possible existing biradicals in the waste using Electron Spin Resonance (ESR) Apparatus. The data indicates some characteristic of the ESR pattern of the waste can be concluding to be relating with the kind of diseases. We are now use ESR patterns to diagnose of improving conditions of the patients.

In case of cigarette smokes, our opinion is in regard with nano-particulates of the smokes. Please note that we used cigarette commonly formulated as Kretek cigarette, a special Indonesian cigarette. The, cigarette is not only containing tobacco leaves but also clove and some other plant materials used for traditional medicine. We add some chemical scavenger to formulate the cigarette which is mostly aromatic compounds enables to develop biradicals complex structures with the smoke components when it is burned. The aromatic compounds used in the formulation designed to involve in these complex structures without involving the chemical bonding capacities, but they use their magnetic and paramagnetic as well as diamagnetic capacities. As it may seen in the web-site, an example of theoretical complex particulates which is drawn, are rich with electron dense. The smoke of these cigarettes can also develop Mandelbrot set of crystals when introduced to some amino acids indicating a self-producing structures capacity. In the term of metabolic logic this complex particulate are having high energetic potential to transfer electron. This is mostly similar character with some other biological complex structures having role on transferring and carrying electron such as cytochrome as well as hemoglobin.

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